oh no, conspiracy time again kiddies!

well just wanted to talk about zeitgeist the final cut, the first 5 or so minutes really pissed me off. i had heard great things but the first ten minutes of poor visulisations and music after the speech and it was testing me. but after a bit of patience it was well worth it.

well interestingly enough i probably hate the subjects in this film more than anything else co existing and that is power, greed, relegion, and evil. thats probably why i was hooked with my go green power flag thrusting it into the air like some crazy fuzzy eyebrowed weed toker.

even though, yeh look at you sighing there "i see you btw uzi" this is like alot of other conspiracy theory's some of it isnt factual evidence, but there is quite a few things that need to be addressed tbh.

watch it, it will get you asking more questions that before. warning you need half a brain. this delves alot deeper into the "root" and does give plausible reasons behind unthinkable actions.

i looked into the guy who made this, seems he was out for himself and it made him a millionaire but it is quite a well put together scrapbook of a film, not like your loose change really.

a couple of things that really kinda dug a knife in where, the radio call from aaron rouso and the two sas agents caught dressed like terrorist with explosives firing at innocent civilians.

so watch it, think, discuss

thanks

epilepsy warning btw, there are some annoying flashing going on after the first speech.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197&q=zeitgeist&ei=Usd6SK_REJKkjAKiqPm9Cg&hl=en

part of me though, oh yeh its real! all lies but then the sensible side countered

the government and bad men had really done a great job covering it up before today, when 100 years later we have the internet . they must be shitting in their pants

Well they don't really care, they just deny it all... they just lable all "conspiracy theorys" as lies.

And most of the gullable tv news watchers believe what ever is on the media is true.

i didnt really watch it, just flicked through it, and from what i see theres alot of facts used that no one really knows is true.

9/11 part of zeitgeist was average at best. the religious stuff to start with though was a sterling effort. The last thing you would want to do in your life would be to knock on my door wielding a bible or something and ask me if i "i know jesus". the odds are ill get you inside sit you down and make you watch theh first half of zeitgeist, then when its done juts look at you and say

"well?"

by the way, heres a little something for you. Next time you do get the god squad on your doorstep. dont close the door. just stand and smile. do not speak. just stand there smiling. no matter what they say. i have had one of those guys dragging the other one away with hm telling him "come on he's not worth it!". you would be amazed the response youll get pulling that trick on hem. try it out sometime.

i dont know why i get a mention in the post by the way, im all for conspiracy theories. Fact of the matter is if you see something about an event (like 911) that isnt "right". You just go "wow, thats wierd." If you see a couple of things that are wierd then its like "hmmm thats a coincidence". when you see a list of things as long as your arm all "wrong" about the same event then alarm bells should start ringing. Sure listen to the explanations and the science they back it up with. At the end of the day use your head, your intelligence and your common sense to arrive at your own conclusion. That may be the only freedom you have left.

Incidentally, these 911 conspiracy theory videos are very much like the avi's you make of playes hacking. if you have enough footage you can make a slightly dodgy player look like the world biggest hacker ever. It's all a matter of perspective. Rather than one end of the spectrum "terrorists" or the other end "government wants a war for fiinancial reasons" the truth (as is usual with most things in life) lies somewhere in between.

i believe 911 was an inside job but the evidence in that documentary is not sufficient as any real proof, i thought exactly what i thought before i saw this film. and that the people of this world dont need a real reason to go and have a war. just an explosion and loss of nationmen's lives.

as for 7/7 bombing, i think this was a real terrorist attack. if it was to cause the same support as 9/11 it was done by an hell of a much more professional conspirators.

The movie is amazing, it doesn't only give you really indepth explanations, but also gives you solid evidence, I certainly changed my opinion on 9/11 and stuck to my opinion on Religion. After watching the part on Currency, I no longer felt "safe" I felt as if I was constantly being watched and monitored.

I'd like to see what they'd come up with on the 7/7 Bombings and the Madrid Bombings also, I'm curious to see weather they were also inside jobs, or weather they were actual Terrorist Attacks.

The bit i liked most in that movie was when they were discussing Religion and showing how The Bible had basicly copied Ancient scribes and past Religions. Its well worth the watch if you have 2hours spare time, I'm sure if you're mature enough you will understand what they're talking about, its not advised for people who have a closed mind and stick to something even if they're wrong.

I'm fully aware religion is a joke, and i've heard all the 9/11 conspiracy stuff before.. but part 3 is genuinely fucking terrifying.

ive seen these 911 conspiracy vids before, but i keep telling myself its made in a way to make your think it *must* be the truth...

But where are the counter-videos? (genuine question here, are there any?) I would be rlly interested to see the same kinda effort being put into the other side of the argument. As quite often people just leave stuff out, would be cool to know if the 911 conspirators decided to ignore half of it to get their theories across.

anyone else thought that before? ;o

please don't generalise the blatant crap that is the bible to all of religion... there's plenty about religion and religions that they present no argument against

if you watch some anti-conspiracy videos there is some fairly conclusive proof against most conspiracy theories, but there are just some that never will be explained and could well be true... even congress has admitted there was and is more to it than the government will ever let on

I think the one factor everyone can agree on, especially with the aid of the final money-based part of zeitgeist, is that the world is dictated hugely by money, which roughly translates in the modern day to oil... I mean one thing I can never get my head around is how politicians are allowed to take 'donations' from private sources to fund their campaigns... if they are taking money from oil beneficiaries and such then they are going to expect something back aren't they, all seems a bit obvious to me

EDIT: there are counter arguments available Lee, just search... even the bbc is running a program to disprove some conspiracy theories now, but the disproving is just as dubious as the proving in all honesty

i watched it, the jesus bit was kinda boring, but the 911 part was quite interesting.... it all makes sense =]

zeitgeist is good but come on, anyone who believes 9/11 was an inside job is just a fucking crackpot.

an operation of that size would take enough man hours to need literally hundreds of people involved, and not one of them is a bit pissed off enough with the murder of 2000 americans to talk?

why would the government go to the trouble of launching an attack on one of their own cities in the vaguest hope they wouldn't be found out? why would they then go to the trouble of a fourth plane being hijacked only to mess it all up and have to shoot it down into a field?

it's seen as being "open minded" to follow these conspiracies, but the stupid part about it is the people this applies to are the most closed-minded of all, believing thinly-spread evidence and projecting fantasy as reality because they so badly want to believe it's true. play em some dramatic music and put a 'sinister' voiceover on a video and it's suddenly more true than what stares them in the face.

Gaq. Building Seven collapsed without any major dmg, the guy said him self "the firefighters said the fire was so big they should just bring it down.." which it did, and the videos show the building was fine :S

Its incredibly interesting, will probably post up my views later on when i've watched it again to remind myself

Ha ha.

Oh you were being serious.

well im a fucking crackpot then, ive listened to both sides of the argument, and in reality if you turn it on its head. there wasnt enough to prove that these big badass planes took down buildings designed to withstand plane crashes. not that i think george bush and evil men masterminded the attacks of 9/11

the whole idea that burning jet fuel and sweeping winds could cause sufficient structural damage to cause a collapse in 1 of the 3 buildings is a moron and 3 out of 3 is just plain ignorant

i believe 100% that the buildings were taken down with explosive charges of some sort, do i claime to know who did this. hell osma bin laden could of had a ninja suit on and snook them in, i very much doubt it though

was a good watch to be fair.

what in your infinite knowledge do you see that overrides the wealth of evidence and studies from structural engineers who actually know something about the subject that proves reasonably that it was 99% certain 2 rather large planes caused the buildings to collapse?

i could probably slow down a grainy video of the JFK assassination and from one angle it may look sort of like he got hit with a ninja star to the head, doesn't mean the WTCs came down from controlled explosions, just means you carefully ignored the 99 out of 100 angles where the film didn't play out in this way.

an event like this staged live in front of the world would be impossible to pull off, and why go to the trouble of flying planes into buildings if you're going to bomb them anyway? surely that would be a bit suss, especially several floors below the impact. ooh, that must be part of the "smokescreen"

From some of the things they have shown in the video YOU must be a crackpot to not consider the fact that something is not right.

There are three things that really get me. Like they said, they took all the CCTV tapes around the pentagon as evidence, and they have not once released any of the information proving that a plane did crash into the pentagon. If they had the evadence to prove it was a plane, why dont they?

The next is the plane that crashed into a field. From the picture that they showed there was absolutely nothing but a burnt hole and some tiny scrap peices of metal, i would really love to know where the other 80% of the plane went, as it would not be vapourised from an explosion with just jet fuel in it.

And the final thing, WTC7, from what they said the only thing that baught the building down was fire? Fire doesnt bring down the weakest of buildings, how the hell would it take down a WTC building.

Now im not saying anything in that movie was true, no one will ever really know. But the government of the worlds most powerfull country could easly have the power to keep people quiet and pull off something like this. Im not actually taking any sides on this, i am however stating that only a small minded moron would dismiss the possibility that something strange could of gone on.

This is why i wanna see the counter vids, showing these 'other 99 angles' and all the structural engineers that have said that idd it could've happened as they said, cuz bla bla. But things like they were saying jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to consume...etc etc - would just be nice to hear what the other 99% think happened.