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23/11/08 12:53pm
Oh Hey MiKE
23/11/08 12:50pm
a joint party...I like where this is going
23/11/08 12:35pm
It was kinda a joint party with the house next door, but everyone just came in my room. Their house got trashed, beds turned over, ironing board broke, plates smashed etc. I got off pretty lightly tbh.
23/11/08 11:33am
you've got to get yourself togetherrrrrrrrr
23/11/08 11:00am
moral of the story kids, if your throwing a house party, make sure its not in your house.
23/11/08 10:07am
You'll find the towell. probably wrapped around some huge pile of vomit, probably hidden under a bed or something.
23/11/08 9:27am
tut tut.
23/11/08 7:31am
Every british holidaymaker?
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Tue 22nd Jul 2008 12:56am

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Okay, I got a bit worked up in another thread, so I'm gonna put some facts on here just to keep myself happy. (Then I'm going for a cig, harhar)

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Ecstasy burns holes in your brain.

Status: Untrue

Source: Oprah; MTV's Special on Ecstasy, 11/28/2000.

Rebuttal: Rick Doblin, PhD – see http://www.maps.org/media/mtvclarify.html
MTV presented a brain scan of a woman named Lynn Smith, who had consumed a large amount of MDMA. This brain scan was described as showing ‘holes in her brain’, similar to the brain of an elderly woman who had had many strokes. However, the scan actually measures the amount of blood flow in the brain. The ‘holes’ merely demonstrate a lower blood flow in some regions of her brain. These lower figures are relative, not absolute – they are lower relative to her own brain, not to anyone else’s. Not to a “normal” standard. In other words, you could scan anyone’s brain and get the same results, if you wanted to.

Another study, which used more sophisticated techniques to compare MDMA users and non-users, found no significant difference in brain blood flow between the two groups.


[b]
Ecstasy contains crushed glass
[/b]
Status: Untrue

Source: various, including Time Out and Mix Mag (UK magazines).

No pills have ever been tested and shown to contain glass. A search on ecstasydata.org would confirm this. When the root source for this claim was tracked down, it turned out to be a dodgy and self proclaimed manufacturer who produced zero evidence to support his claim.

[u]
[b]
Ecstasy contains heroin[/b][/u]

Status: Basically a myth

There have only been one or two pills that tested positive for heroin. A search on ecstasydata.org would confirm this. If someone says they felt ‘smacky’, and blames this on heroin in the pill, they are mistaken. MDMA, particularly in large doses, can "sit you on your ass".

[u]
[b]
Ecstasy contains LSD
[/b][/u]
Status: Untrue

A search on ecstasydata.org returns no hits for LSD. This suggests that, if LSD is ever found in pills, it is found very rarely. Hallucinations are possible on high doses of MDMA. However, major hallucinations are more likely to be due to the presence of some adulterant in the pill – MDA is a strong possibility.

[b][u]

Ecstasy contains mescaline[/u][/b]

Status: Untrue

No pills have ever been tested and shown to contain mescaline. A search on ecstasydata.org would confirm this.
Mescaline is incredibly hard to get hold of – there is absolutely no way that someone would waste it by selling it as Ecstasy. If someone had mescaline, they would sell it to people who wanted to buy mescaline. Furthermore, an active dose of mescaline would not fit in a pill.


[u][b]
Ecstasy contains rat poison
[/b][/u]
Status : Almost a myth

Source : Various, including Time Out and Mixmag.

One pill in Holland was tested and found to contain rat poison, although this was probably a result of contamination. Reports that large numbers of pills have been found with rat poison in them are a myth. The root source for this myth was the same as for the crushed glass myth.


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Ecstasy drains your spinal fluid.
[/u][/b]
Status: Untrue

Source: Oprah among others.

Discussion: A total myth. One of the ways of measuring the effects of MDMA is to take measures of serotonin production. Serotonin is produced in your brain, but also in your spinal fluid. Therefore, researchers have measured serotonin levels in spinal fluid, to determine whether MDMA usage was affecting them. See for example:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
Ecstasy does not actually drain your spinal fluid.

See also Erowid’s MDMA FAQ: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq2.shtml

The second misapprehension concerned the fact that MDMA causes some sort of drainage of spinal fluid. This misconception somehow resulted from a misunderstanding of research into the effects of MDMA on levels of the neurotransmitter serotonin, which are accessed through spinal taps. It's the spinal taps that drain the fluid, NOT the MDMA.

It’s also possible that the myth spread because ecstasy users, having danced all night, woke up with sore backs, and the story went around that this was due to spinal fluid loss. Of course, it was just backache from overexertion.

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[u]
Ecstasy is a mixture of heroin and cocaine
[/u][/b]
Status: Untrue

True Ecstasy is MDMA. It’s a completely separate chemical; it has nothing to do with either heroin or cocaine either chemically or in its effects. Pills sold as Ecstasy may contain substances which aren’t MDMA. PMA, ketamine, DXM, caffeine, speed, MDA, and MDEA are all found in pills sold as Ecstasy. Heroin and cocaine are almost never found in pills sold as Ecstasy, and have never been found in the same pill. See ecstasydata.org for more.


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Ecstasy makes the cells of your brain stem break off and they travel down your spine.[/b][/u]

Status: Untrue

Source: Raver who claimed his doctor told him this

No idea where this one came from. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest it is true. See http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/ for details of how MDMA affects your brain.

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Ecstasy Makes you Gay.[/b][/u]

Status: Untrue

Most likely the talk of silly children or homophobes. No evidence exists to support this claim.

[u]
[b]
Ecstasy makes you more prone to AIDS.
[/b][/u]
Status: Untrue

Source: Irish TV ads

There’s no evidence that MDMA makes you more prone to catching HIV/developing AIDS. However, use of Ecstasy has been shown to be correlated with risk-taking behaviours. These include engaging in unsafe sex, which would increase the risk of catching HIV. Of course, there is no suggestion that taking Ecstasy makes you more likely to have unsafe sex – it seems more likely that those who choose to take risks in one area (such as taking drugs) are more likely to take risks in another (such as having unsafe sex). Please, be careful out there.

[u]
[b]
Ecstasy makes your brain bleed.
[/b][/u]
Status: Untrue

Source: Unknown, appeared as a question on Bluelight

No idea who started this rumour. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest it is true. See http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/ for details of how MDMA affects your brain.
[b]
[u]

Ecstasy will increase your risk of having a deformed baby[/u]
[/b]
Status: No evidence exists to support this claim.


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MDMA makes you want to have sex with everyone.[/b][/u]

Status: Untrue

MDMA has been called the ‘love drug’, which has led some people to believe that it is all about sex. It isn’t – it’s called the love drug because it makes you experience strong feelings of love for those around you. It’s love in the emotional sense, not the sexual one. Many people don’t feel any hornier while on MDMA, and many men have trouble getting erections or reaching orgasm.

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[b]
MDMA in powder form (molly) or in capsules is more pure than in pill form.[/b]
[/u]
Status: Untrue

It is just as easy to have cuts of various other chemicals in the powdered form as it is in the pill form. The powdered form is simply what a pill looks like before it is pressed. There is some thought that in powdered form it is in fact even easier for unscrupulous dealers to cut it with other drugs or fillers and hence it may in fact be even less pure on average.


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Taking MDMA just once makes you depressed; and the only way to feel normal is taking more of it.[/b][/u]

Status: Partially true

It’s very unlikely that anyone has had this effect from taking MDMA once. However, many of us have reached this point after taking large amounts over a long time. Abuse can lead you to the point where it seems that the only way to feel normal is to keep taking more. It would take a lot of MDMA abuse to reach this point.

[u]
[b]
Taking MDMA shrinks your penis or breasts.
[/b][/u]
Status: Untrue

There's no evidence for this. (Although MDMA and other amphetamines may cause temporary shrinking of the penis, this isn't permanent.)

[u]
[b]
You will die if you take more than five pills in a night[/b][/u]

Status: Incorrect

Source: poster on bolt.com

You are putting yourself at greater risk by taking more pills. However, you are still very unlikely to die from taking five pills in a night. This statement is meaningless anyway, as the strength of pills varies so much. There are pills which are tested as containing 20-30mg of MDMA, and others which contain 150mg. So one of the 150mg pills would be as strong as 5 30mg pills.
Edited by waller on 22/07/08 12:56am
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:26am
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1st safe
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:28am

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wow.
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:29am
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Ecstacy is for wasters who i couldnt give a shit about.

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Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:39am
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Lol at Westy?.

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Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:40am

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I would agree with Westy? but I'm going to Ibiza next week and feel that I'll prob end up doing them. :/
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:42am

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Pinky, be vary careful. Also, i'd try them in the safety of a home with a sober friend or something first. Your first time in Ibiza in a club may not be entirely a good idea.

Westy, back it up at least Sad Don't just slate and I'll be happy to try and convince you (not to do them, that's your own decision)
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:43am

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haven't heard anything this ridiculously stupid in a long time.

most of this stuff you can realise it's untrue just by using a bit of common sense...

Ecstacy = MDMA
Ecstacy is NOT the same thing as a "pill"
a pill can be anything you want it to be.

and no one would put coke in a pill cos if you ingest coke you'd need a FAR bigger dose and it would be a total waste (seeming a relatively pure gram of coke would set you back 150 quid minimum) - street coke is very rarely anything above 25%...

LSD.. ROFL

heroin... you serious



and wh would someone ruin their batch of pills that they need to shift by putting rat poison in it?!?
that'd be like shitting all over your money so you can't use it




dribblers these days chatting shit so they can act like they know a thing or two
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:43am

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well then pinky your a mess

*Ecstasy contains rat poison*
some do some dont
same liek fags
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:47am

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evis said...
haven't heard anything this ridiculously stupid in a long time.

most of this stuff you can realise it's untrue just by using a bit of common sense...

Ecstacy = MDMA
Ecstacy is NOT the same thing as a "pill"
a pill can be anything you want it to be.

and no one would put coke in a pill cos if you ingest coke you'd need a FAR bigger dose and it would be a total waste (seeming a relatively pure gram of coke would set you back 150 quid minimum) - street coke is very rarely anything above 25%...

LSD.. ROFL

heroin... you serious



and wh would someone ruin their batch of pills that they need to shift by putting rat poison in it?!?
that'd be like shitting all over your money so you can't use it




dribblers these days chatting shit so they can act like they know a thing or two


Good man evis!

But this is the kinda stuff people come out with as valid arguments to 'druggies'.
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:48am
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there was some kid in our hotel on holiday this year on mdma, we robbed his pizza coz he couldnt get into his room as he was too fucked up LOL
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:49am

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Chansey said...
Lol at Westy?.

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indeed...
all you straight edge people think that taking narcotics mean that you are a waster
did you know most of the famous english writers all did an opiate of some sort and a wide variety of psychologists and scientists took coke

what have you achieved ??

wallerbe said...
Pinky, be vary careful. Also, i'd try them in the safety of a home with a sober friend or something first. Your first time in Ibiza in a club may not be entirely a good idea.

Westy, back it up at least Sad Don't just slate and I'll be happy to try and convince you (not to do them, that's your own decision)


you wanna take it with someone who's taken it before, especially abroad they love sellin fake shit to foreigners... take a tenth of a gram MAX if it's your first time, dont drink too much water or too little and read up information on the internet on how to do minmimal damage to your body (i.e. drink isotonic water)

Edited by evis [BANNED] on 22/07/08 1:50am
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:50am

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how often you use evis?
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 1:50am

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Drugs are bad...mkay...
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 2:02am

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wallerbe said...
how often you use evis?

all drugs i take i do THOROUGH research, long term effects, side effects, how to reduce/minimalise risks onto health/body, risks of "street" drugs and contamination, prices, purity, effects, any deaths, LOADS of well documented experiences are on erowid (very good site)

I take MDMA rarely as it reduces serotonin levels and leaves me feeling shit for the next day or two. maybe once every month or two.

I take coke when it's around for a buzz, very rare though

I take ket quite often, if i have it take it almost every day, small bumps, and maybe a k-hole before i go to bed. my tolerance is pretty high so i don't get mega-fucked off it anymore. i like ket just because i know the ket i get is 100% pure (i get it in vials and cook it up) and i like the idea of the shit i'm taking is uncontaminated. Ketamine is used in many places around the world (on humans) as a general anaesthetic (including on babies) and to cure skin diseases. People say "it's a horse tranquiliser", it's not the ONLY use is it? Novacaine is used in dentistry aswell (similar to cocaine, read the wikipedia article)

Weed every now and again.. it's more of an in-between drug and i just get really tired, alright if you're chilling at a mates. maybe once or twice every fortnight.

Alcohol i try and avoid unless i'm out of drugs. People tend to forget alcohol and tobacco are DRUGS. they are just really really fucking shit for what they are and the only reason why they are legal is because they have been around for such a long time. think about the prohibition era in america. total chaos. Plus the govnt get too much on taxes for it to be banned. Alcohol is a serious problem for health and same for tobacco. How many drugs do you know that give you CANCER?... exactly. people say "well look at skag addicts" etc etc. it's all about self-control. if you can't control how much you take of a drug, then just don't do it. for me, i won't ever try speed, meth, skag or crack simply because i KNOW i wil love the buzz too much and i wont be able to control my urge.



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Tue 22nd Jul 2008 2:19am

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e is amazing
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 2:34am

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please dont comment on this topic if you havnt at least tried either pure MDMA or a decent pill

im glad someone with a clue has actually posted about MDMA and esctacy as many people believe the shit that gets said about it. i have tried both pills and MDMA and i still do it now, its so hard to explain the amazing feeling you get when you do pure MDMA or a good pill, all i can say its like cummin every 10 seconds and everything in the world just feels amazing. When i decided i was going to do it with my friend we researched it alot and read alot about the negative effects you can have and the good effects, we also read about things that can cause a bad effect and what can help make you get the best feeling ever. I would suggest if anyone is going to try either MDMA or pills they should definitely read up on it first. A good website to research about pills is www.pillreports.com and http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/ lots of useful information on both and especially pillreports because you can actually research a pill and see whether its a good one or a shit one, im not promoting people to do pills by advertising them websites im simply just trying to make it as safe as possible if your considering trying it. Im not saying i need to take these to have a good night but i would so rather take some pills or do some MDMA than drink alcohol. Alcohol is so over rated, firstly it does not give any sort of amazing feeling or high you just seem to get abit of confidence, then people tend to get into fights when drinking alcohol, when on pills or mdma you just have no thought at all of even harming anything your just too happy, also drinking is so expensive! i would so rather go out and spend £15 each on some MDMA and have the most amazing feelings ever than spend like £40 on alcohol and wake up the next day feeling like im going to be sick everywhere. i do admit u dont feel right the next day after doing drugs but i would so take a come down over a hangover any day.

Good Fact

Ecstasy kills people more than any other drug. This is simply not true, since 1990, according to the DEA there have only been 91 deaths in which the only drug in the users system is MDMA. Almost every ecstasy related death that has occurred has been from heat exhaustion (caused by not drinking water) or from a heart attack (caused by dancing or strenuous movement for long periods of time without resting). The victims of these deaths have shown in their autopsies to contain more than just MDMA (ecstasy), but significant amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and/or alcohol, which when mixed with MDMA which can disorient the user and make him/her unaware of the stress they are putting their bodies under, and unable to regulate their body temperatures. Compare these 91 people that have died in the past 17 years, as opposed to the 10,000+ alcohol related deaths that occur each year.

Please do not listen to what clueless people say about them and anyone who hasnt tried either cannot comment on them either as they have no idea what there talking about and they often just chat shit what other people have told them like "zommmg my mate took 22 pills and he was trippin and his beercan turned into a dildo maaaaaann". If your going to try it be sensible and be with people who have done it before who you are comfortable with and who are safe.
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LADS, LADS... can we calm down on the essays... just sum it up i'm not reading all of this

ive always said dont knock it till you've tried it...

my mates called me a druggy for about 4 months at school because i done a pill and said it was the most fucking amazing feeling ive ever had... as soon as they actually take them at a rave when weve finished school. THEY LOVED THEM and took back every word they said, but i still don't forgive them Big grin

seriously... if i was going to sum up "Extacty" i would say: HAVING SEX WITH 50 OF THE HOTTEST EXPERIENCED PORN STARS AT THE SAME TIME = first pill you ever take (exageration :P but it's close and im sure anybody else who have had them before will agree with me)

ive tried it loved it, and don't really ever do them now
Edited by FuZioN` on 22/07/08 2:51am
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loz said...
there was some kid in our hotel on holiday this year on mdma, we robbed his pizza coz he couldnt get into his room as he was too fucked up LOL


if he had pizza he would have given it to you because he wouldn't want to be horrible on pills... and i don't know why he had pizza in the first place because you do not feel hungry AT ALL on them
Tue 22nd Jul 2008 5:14am

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Extacy... Like being god yourself. If you dont like them, dont take them.


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